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lapsedmodernistHere is a snippet from a conversation that transpired last night at Black Betty's, where we all gathered for Shannon's birthday. ( Incidentally, ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
universaldonor brought along Confusing Wizard, a.k.a. the coolest 16-year old ever. We really couldn't stop talking about how cool he was all the way home.)
Anyway, here is the fragment:
ME: I am going to get a T-shirt that says "LAPSED MODERNIST"
NUNCSTANS: No, you are not. Also, wouldn't lapsing from modernism imply some final result of "Pre-modernist"?
ME: Yeah, I totally am. Here, I'll explain (I slide over to her bench).
ME: It's like lapsed Catholics, who don't have God anymore, but still have...
UNIVERSALDONOR: Yes, we get it, it's obvious.
ME: Nuncstans, do you know what I mean? Should I finish explaining?
NUNCSTANS: Yes, finish.
ME: But I feel like I am being redundant!
NUNCSTANS: But, remember, you are always wrong!
ME: But I thought we decided that was a bad Labyrinth logic to invoke.
NUNCSTANS: Fine, you are not always wrong, but I am always right.
ME: I don't like that, that way lies uberlogic.
NUNCSTANS: Fair enough!
ME (To TOTALVIRILITY): I am like Robert Graves, I am aware because I am wrong, in broken images I find understanding.
ME (back to NUNCSTANS): ANYWAY, the lapsed modernist is like a lapsed Catholic, in the sense that just like for a lapsed Catholic there is no longer an ontological being justifying their paradigm of being, the dialectic of guilt and redemption as an m.o is still there. So, with a lapsed modernist, there is no ethos imbuing the discourse anymore, but the functional, structural binaries that are the frameworks for perceiving the world, are still there. So, for me, the Modernist ethos is gone, I am in full possession of the pomo Ethos, but you know how I totally think in binaries.
NUNCSTANS: But Modernism never had an Ethos in that sense.
ME: Sure it did, it had the Modernist Project.
NUNCSTANS: But it was not totalizing.
ME: It totally was, on a meta-level.
NUNCSTANS: But then you would have to get a shirt that reads Meta-Lapsed Modernist.
ME: Uh.
NUNCSTANS: You DON'T want to get a T-shirt that says that.
ME: NO, I SURE DON'T.
universaldonor brought along Confusing Wizard, a.k.a. the coolest 16-year old ever. We really couldn't stop talking about how cool he was all the way home.)Anyway, here is the fragment:
ME: I am going to get a T-shirt that says "LAPSED MODERNIST"
NUNCSTANS: No, you are not. Also, wouldn't lapsing from modernism imply some final result of "Pre-modernist"?
ME: Yeah, I totally am. Here, I'll explain (I slide over to her bench).
ME: It's like lapsed Catholics, who don't have God anymore, but still have...
UNIVERSALDONOR: Yes, we get it, it's obvious.
ME: Nuncstans, do you know what I mean? Should I finish explaining?
NUNCSTANS: Yes, finish.
ME: But I feel like I am being redundant!
NUNCSTANS: But, remember, you are always wrong!
ME: But I thought we decided that was a bad Labyrinth logic to invoke.
NUNCSTANS: Fine, you are not always wrong, but I am always right.
ME: I don't like that, that way lies uberlogic.
NUNCSTANS: Fair enough!
ME (To TOTALVIRILITY): I am like Robert Graves, I am aware because I am wrong, in broken images I find understanding.
ME (back to NUNCSTANS): ANYWAY, the lapsed modernist is like a lapsed Catholic, in the sense that just like for a lapsed Catholic there is no longer an ontological being justifying their paradigm of being, the dialectic of guilt and redemption as an m.o is still there. So, with a lapsed modernist, there is no ethos imbuing the discourse anymore, but the functional, structural binaries that are the frameworks for perceiving the world, are still there. So, for me, the Modernist ethos is gone, I am in full possession of the pomo Ethos, but you know how I totally think in binaries.
NUNCSTANS: But Modernism never had an Ethos in that sense.
ME: Sure it did, it had the Modernist Project.
NUNCSTANS: But it was not totalizing.
ME: It totally was, on a meta-level.
NUNCSTANS: But then you would have to get a shirt that reads Meta-Lapsed Modernist.
ME: Uh.
NUNCSTANS: You DON'T want to get a T-shirt that says that.
ME: NO, I SURE DON'T.
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Date: 2003-07-25 08:43 am (UTC)Ill wear one too as long as its fit, doesnt look hot-off-the-decal-press-cheesey and we dont wear them simultaneously
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Date: 2003-07-25 11:40 am (UTC)