So... I thought that Quichua was the northern pronounciation/spelling of Quechua (i.e. Runa or Runashimi, no?). So... are they highlanders who emigrated, or is this a whole different kettle of people, or what?
In Ecuador at least both highland and lowland peoples are Quichua (albeit with different dialects and pronunciations). Runashimi, I believe, refers to people of the forest, i.e. lowlands Quichua. I think in Bolivia the diasporic groups are called Quechua, and there is the larger language group of Kechwa.
Hmmm... in every goddam ethnography of the Andes I've read, Runashimi refers specifically to Quechua, the language of the ethnic group of the Inca and their near neighbors. In other words, I understood it to refer specifically to highland groups that had been involved in all that fancy statecraft back in the day. Weird. Should I ask my local Andeanist, or do we not care?
Quichua may just be a dialectical thing in Ecuador. I think Quichua and Quechua are used interchangelably...and there is a movement for a unified language that is, from what I understand, phonetically based, so then it would be Kichwa...
the people are...the man is the shaman of the community, and the kids are mostly his grandchildren.
Um, did I mention I took ayahuasco? With an alcoholic shaman drunk out of his mind on sugar cane alcohol?
Oh my god! Ayahuasco? How the hell was it? Tell all!
I just can't do interesting drugs anymore. When I did shrooms in Mexico last year, I just got sick as a dog. Then this year... an allergy to pulque of all things. PULQUE. Does that not suck?
Alas, I missed out on smoking opium with the schizophrenic zen calligraphy master. What's the point of being an anthropologist, I ask?
LafemmNica: the shaman was totally drunk and not processing that we were, like, not in a mode to converse LafemmNica: and just kept talking LafemmNica: there was complete chaos in my brain pasapropos: in spanish or quechua? LafemmNica: spanish LafemmNica: unlike anything I have had with any other hallucinogenic LafemmNica: different type of chaos pasapropos: did you throw up? LafemmNica: yes...I made myself LafemmNica: A. kept throwing up compulsively LafemmNica: It was hard, though, b/c by the time I decided I should throw up I literally could barely walk pasapropos: yikes. LafemmNica: like, my legs weren't obeying me LafemmNica: and it was night LafemmNica: so I needed a flashlight pasapropos: scary shit LafemmNica: but the light gave me completely insane hallucinations LafemmNica: we were like, we are in the middle of nowhere, jungle, no electricity with a totally drunk shaman, what the hell did we get ourselves into? pasapropos: yeah so much for macho gonzo anthropology LafemmNica: haha, well, I am at least glad I didn't do it alone, I would have totally freaked out LafemmNica: I mean, there was a MESS in my brain LafemmNica: and I could not control it at all LafemmNica: it wasn't like acid or mushrooms LafemmNica: where I would have Epiphanies or interesting patterns of thoughts, pasapropos: just pure chaos LafemmNica: it was like uncontrollable free-association where every minute or so I would find myself contemplating intenseley something completely surreal and random and then have a meta-consciousness of "how the fuck did I start thinking about this?" LafemmNica: like I would realize that I was concentrating very hard on thinking about the physics and buyoancy of mattresses floating in a river pasapropos: that's awesome!!! LafemmNica: or how thick a broom must be so that it cannot be broken LafemmNica: but, like, in a boring way pasapropos: haha LafemmNica: "11 reeds it can be broken...12 it cannot...what is a half-reed?"
those accursed ethnographies! love of money is the root of all evil? i think not. there is a special circle of hell reserved for those ethographies. or should be.
I only shot with my Pentax, Zubin had the digital camera. He just ordered an external hard drive so that he can download them, then we'll be able to post.
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Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 06:37 pm (UTC)Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 06:42 pm (UTC)Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 06:53 pm (UTC)P.S.
Date: 2005-01-10 06:56 pm (UTC)Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 06:59 pm (UTC)the people are...the man is the shaman of the community, and the kids are mostly his grandchildren.
Um, did I mention I took ayahuasco? With an alcoholic shaman drunk out of his mind on sugar cane alcohol?
Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 07:04 pm (UTC)I just can't do interesting drugs anymore. When I did shrooms in Mexico last year, I just got sick as a dog. Then this year... an allergy to pulque of all things. PULQUE. Does that not suck?
Alas, I missed out on smoking opium with the schizophrenic zen calligraphy master. What's the point of being an anthropologist, I ask?
Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-10 07:44 pm (UTC)LafemmNica: the shaman was totally drunk and not processing that we were, like, not in a mode to converse
LafemmNica: and just kept talking
LafemmNica: there was complete chaos in my brain
pasapropos: in spanish or quechua?
LafemmNica: spanish
LafemmNica: unlike anything I have had with any other hallucinogenic
LafemmNica: different type of chaos
pasapropos: did you throw up?
LafemmNica: yes...I made myself
LafemmNica: A. kept throwing up compulsively
LafemmNica: It was hard, though, b/c by the time I decided I should throw up I literally could barely walk
pasapropos: yikes.
LafemmNica: like, my legs weren't obeying me
LafemmNica: and it was night
LafemmNica: so I needed a flashlight
pasapropos: scary shit
LafemmNica: but the light gave me completely insane hallucinations
LafemmNica: we were like, we are in the middle of nowhere, jungle, no electricity with a totally drunk shaman, what the hell did we get ourselves into?
pasapropos: yeah so much for macho gonzo anthropology
LafemmNica: haha, well, I am at least glad I didn't do it alone, I would have totally freaked out
LafemmNica: I mean, there was a MESS in my brain
LafemmNica: and I could not control it at all
LafemmNica: it wasn't like acid or mushrooms
LafemmNica: where I would have Epiphanies or interesting patterns of thoughts,
pasapropos: just pure chaos
LafemmNica: it was like uncontrollable free-association where every minute or so I would find myself contemplating intenseley something completely surreal and random and then have a meta-consciousness of "how the fuck did I start thinking about this?"
LafemmNica: like I would realize that I was concentrating very hard on thinking about the physics and buyoancy of mattresses floating in a river
pasapropos: that's awesome!!!
LafemmNica: or how thick a broom must be so that it cannot be broken
LafemmNica: but, like, in a boring way
pasapropos: haha
LafemmNica: "11 reeds it can be broken...12 it cannot...what is a half-reed?"
Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-11 12:57 am (UTC)Re: Nerdy questions
Date: 2005-01-11 02:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-10 06:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-10 07:00 pm (UTC)Did you take any pics in India you can post?
no subject
Date: 2005-01-10 07:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-11 12:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-11 12:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-11 11:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-01-12 02:50 pm (UTC)not to say that they don't, but how do you get "saudade" from those pictures?
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Date: 2005-01-12 08:36 pm (UTC)