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p.s. Suggestions in locations other than the Williamsburg/Greenpoint area will not be entertained since my bike departed for Princeton yesterday (we are all very proud) and I will have to stumble home drunk to continue sorting and packing.
p.s. Suggestions in locations other than the Williamsburg/Greenpoint area will not be entertained since my bike departed for Princeton yesterday (we are all very proud) and I will have to stumble home drunk to continue sorting and packing.
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Date: 2004-09-27 11:59 am (UTC)check yr aol acct
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Date: 2004-09-27 01:52 pm (UTC)Vagina, alright?
what the hell else would that thing be?
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Date: 2004-09-30 11:53 am (UTC)call me if you wanna come over. 917-478-4687
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Date: 2004-09-27 03:03 pm (UTC)Rats.
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Date: 2004-09-27 03:57 pm (UTC)RSVP
Date: 2004-09-27 05:16 pm (UTC)Unless you meant "come to Ecuador", which I am not yet ready to do.
lost in translation from coast to coast
(and yes, I meant the going-away party).
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Date: 2004-09-27 10:23 pm (UTC)It would be fun to see the blue-footed boobies. And Chuck Darwin had good luck with the Galapagos; maybe I could do as well.
... and it might be nice to meet you, some time.
Alas, I can't plan farther ahead than the current quarter these days.
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Date: 2004-09-28 01:27 pm (UTC)what a great expression. It's kind of the converse of "strategic antonomasia" which is an interest I believe I alone have in this vast lj universe.
... and it might be nice to meet you, some time.
indeed.
Alas, I can't plan farther ahead than the current quarter these days.
shit, I can't really plan beyond Saturday at this point. Kind of scary and exciting at the same time.
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Date: 2004-09-28 01:34 pm (UTC)indeed
well, if you're ever in the Pac NW...
I can't really plan beyond Saturday
whew. that's a short horizon! Hope things settle down for you soon.
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Date: 2004-09-28 01:37 pm (UTC)stupid link tag typos.
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Date: 2004-09-28 08:46 pm (UTC)It all started when I was taking a lingistic anthro class long ago and got to thinking abot intentional, strategic Freudian slips. Freudian slips are supposed to be lapses in the filtering of the unconscious, by definition the opposite of what you would say on purpose. However, that gives a perfect cover to saying something you want to have said but don't want to say for whatever emotional or social reasons...for some, I suppose, it would be a way of being passive-aggressive as it has a perfect cover of unintentionality. So, on a meta level a strategic, performative Freudian slip would fulfill its communicative function brilliantly, while absolving the person of intention or agency. It's a way of having your cake and eating it too. It's kind of like a linguistic equivalent of getting drunk when you know it kind of facilitates the return of the repressed.
So then I started thinking of antonomasia, and its potential subversive uses in a fashion analogous to strategic Freudian slips, or rather antonomasia masquerading as Freudian slips, but strategically...something really obvious would be repeatedly addressing Bush as Governor and Gore as President in the public arena, or to inaguration as coronation, not performed as accusative rhetoric, which people are preeptively defensive against as partisan, but like a sly Freudian slip in the collective unconscious which could Trojan Horse its way into the real collective unconscious if it caught on as a meme...I had better examples, I have to remember them...I know they had to do with Robert Fisk's idea of recentering the fringe..anyway, a kind of a variation on Aesopian langage. I don't know if this makes sense, and now that I think about it what you said, "busted by the unconscious" was a converse of a strategic Freudian slip more so than antonomasia, (I'd say it was just a Freudian slip, but it was "vague" instead of "revealing") but somehow they got metonyically interchanged in my mind. And now I am officially the hugest NERD EVER and you will never speak to me again.
either way, this is an illustration, I suppose of how my mind works. not pretty, I know.
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Date: 2004-09-28 09:35 pm (UTC)strategic antonomasia. Nice. Mind if I change my interests so you're not alone?
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Date: 2004-09-28 09:49 pm (UTC)yay!
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Date: 2004-09-28 09:57 pm (UTC)Is this related to the
thought experimentparanoid fantasyidea that Copernicus was a magician who moved the earth from the center of the universe out to the periphery?Re: RSVP
Date: 2004-09-28 10:53 pm (UTC)No, "history as sorcery" is actually an essay by Michael Taussig, a vanguard anthropologist/ethnographer at Columbia. It's a chapter in his book "Shamanism, Colonialism and the Wild man." Taussig kind of develops the idea ethnographically with his point of departure being Benamin's idea "only that historian will have the gift of fanning the spark of hope in the past who is firmly convinced that not even the dead shall be safe." He writes about cultral memory and trauma in colonial context and the idea of repressed/suppressed history of horror encoded in myth and bewitching the living in its role as the sorcerer . If you've ever seen jean rouch's "les maitres fous" where he films a possession ritual of the migrant Hauka workers in West Africa, who become possessed by the spirits of the French colonial authorities, (like the governor, the general, etc. ) and as them behave in transgressive, obscene, taboo ways...that film is a good example of the "history as sorcery" paradigm.
so what is pattern matching and is it different from pattern recognition? (are you a Gibson fan, btw?)
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Date: 2004-09-28 11:06 pm (UTC)heh. I like that version. No, it's sort of a science/fiction/fantasy trope that maybe back before they discovered that the world was round, it really wasn't round. and then they "discovered" it was round and made it so. It's kind of early Sapir-Whorf, and in some kinds of speculative fiction it works: what you believe about the world is the way the world is. I'm showing my geeky past; I used to hang out with a bunch of fantasy gamer types and one of the games was based around this idea (magic is real; it's a giant conspiracy of a certain kind of "Technocrat" mage to make you believe otherwise; the Technocrats gain power when you believe in tech and not magic, etc).
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Date: 2004-09-28 11:29 pm (UTC)Haven't seen them. That sounds pretty intense; I suppose there's plenty of dangerous and taboo behaviors being exhibited by the French colonial authorities; recognizing them as [probably malign] spirits of the dead is something I hadn't considered but seems to make sense.
what is pattern matching and is it different from pattern recognition? (are you a Gibson fan, btw?)
I originally included pattern matching in my list of interests because I am a Perl hacker, and "pattern matching" is one of the things that Perl does well (and that's highly relevant for computational linguistics): a "pattern" in this context is an expression that identifies particular kinds of sequences in text: /(....?)\1/, for example, identifies any sequence that includes a repetition a three or four letter sequence: (barbarian, binging, chihuahua, assassin, discontented, hotshotsetc).
Now I'm sounding like a TOTAL NERD. Anyway, the followup point is that pattern matching is also something people do in a more general way, and I think it's interesting. The AI literature tends to use the phrase "pattern recognition" (a la Gibson) in the more general (though still highly mathematical) way.
Am I a fan of Gibson? I haven't read his stuff in a long time. I liked Neuromancer, except at the time I read it I thought his ability to write non-cutout characters was pretty weak. I haven't read anything since the Mona Lisa book; I can't remember if I've finished it. But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I read those, and I daresay I've become a more nuanced reader; I could probably be convinced to give them another try.
I take it you're a fan. What is it that draws you to them? Or if you're not - why not?
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Date: 2004-09-29 10:21 pm (UTC)yes, kind of...not of the sort the Hauka perform while possessed by the spirits. It's more like mimesis-as-hyperbole. They foam at the mouth and eat a dog. The film was so contraversial when it first opened that for years Rouch refused to allow it to be screened unless he was present to contextualize it. The idea (or at least the interpretation) is embodying and performing the insanity of the colonial condition and subverting the power structures in this fashion...
I am very intrigued by hacking in the same way that I am intrigued by string theory (systems fascinate me)...as in, in another universe I'd be really into it, but in this one they interest me in the abstract...so what is a Perl hacker and how is a Perl hacker different from your garden-variety hacker?
I don't know that I am a huge fan of Gibson...he is kind of hit or miss for me. Liked Neuromancer, cooled on Idoru, loved Pattern Recognition (although it's hard to say whether I loved the book or just the main character). I am a big fan of cyberpunk as a genre, though, because it is in many ways functionally and ideologically similar to the kind of science fiction that I grew up on, the Soviet science fiction that was much more concerned with ideas and philosophies b/c it was the one genre that could away with things like that (or even the Atomic Age US science fiction that also focused on ethics/morals/paradoxes more so than character development or transcending the genre). I am also a big fan of feminist cyberpunk when it's written well...so, He, She and It is one of my favorite books...Onyx & Crake--eh, not so much...
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Date: 2004-09-29 10:30 pm (UTC)ah, I think I get it. So it's not so much parody as a sort of metaphorical simile: "the governor is such a crazy bad man, he'd do this [eats dog] or this [shits on campfire]."
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Date: 2004-09-28 09:53 pm (UTC)hmm... I thought it was revealing of wanting to meet you. I suppose that wasn't really necessary to reveal. (the blue-footed boobies and the Charles Darwin bit were post hoc justification decoys.)
And now I am officially the hugest NERD EVER and you will never speak to me again.
either way, this is an illustration, I suppose of how my mind works. not pretty, I know.
As to whether you're a nerd -- wear that label proudly! Nerds of the world unite! But as to whether I'll speak to you again (or whether how your mind works is pretty): you're interested in tactical language, you're comfortable with words like metonymically, you aren't afraid to have serious conversations analyzing snippets of language until they beg for mercy, and you're a lefty-radical videographer polyglot. And you're cute. [to quote
Please keep me around.
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Date: 2004-09-28 11:24 pm (UTC)Is that a bad thing?
Please keep me around.
Well, I seem to like flirting with you...:)
and metonymy is my favorite word...
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Date: 2004-09-28 11:34 pm (UTC)uhm, nope. Does it have to be a bad thing to be Freudian revealing? I suppose that's the connotation.
You do seem to like flirting with me. I hope it's clear that the feeling's mutual.
When do you sleep? I'm headed for bed, and you're on the east coast!
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Date: 2004-09-28 11:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-28 09:03 am (UTC)I made you a FABULOUS mix, if I do say so myself, and now just have to figure a way to transfer it from my iPod to a cd.
Looking forward to Thursday.
Oh, and please bring me Galaxie 500.
Kisses!
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Date: 2004-09-28 09:34 am (UTC)Do you want to come over at 9 on thrs. and watch the first part of the debates with me and charlie before being driven to drink by it?
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