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So [livejournal.com profile] remsaverem is coming to NYC for annual Thanksgiving debauchery (and by debauchery I mean some serious PJs-clad Buffy watching and raids upon Beacon's closet). There a whole thing where I am keeping a turkey in the bathroom on a liquid whiskey diet, but under the influence of Jameson the turkey has turned into a quaint Dickensonian drunk, it sings drinking songs in Olde Yenglish and even learned some Russian jokes, so obviously it's not going to be a Thanksgiving meal now. It's going to be My Little Turkey Mr. Gilbert. Everyone, say hi to Mr. Gilbert. So my question is: if I cook a store-bought turkey in whiskey, will that result in a) a yummy feast, b) a gross culinary equivalent of Frankenstein's monster that will demand a mate and run off to the Arctic, or c) a fire on my stove? It's scenario C that I am concerned about. Because, you know, alcohol. Whiskey & flames seems like a bad combo outside of a metaphorical realm. But people cook with wine. And there is vodka sauce. Help! My cooking repertoire pretty much consists of mashed potatoes and an atavistic offering from my childhood: the Lemon Zoo which is what happens when you soak bread in water, sprinkle liberally with lemon juice, make primitivist "animals" out of the resulting dough, fry it in the pan, and make your parents eat it. I am no cook! I only just bought the Joy of Cooking at a thrifstore for a dollar, (and, incidentally, I hear [livejournal.com profile] universaldonor reads it for fun, especially the recipies involving brains, which proves beyond all doubt that [livejournal.com profile] universaldonor's intimate and anthropological knowledge of zombies is explained by the old adage "it takes one to know one"). So I need the input of all of you people who actually know how to cook. Come on, I know all of you girls can work that stove! It is the un-50s after all! Get with the program!

Date: 2003-11-09 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totalvirility.livejournal.com
OK, so I just decided to log onto Live Journal for a bit to remind myself of New York, because I've had a serious allergy to the phone since round-about Wednesday, and I just had to write and say 'what the fuck?'
Hi, Mr. Gilbert.
You should not cook a turkey in whisky, because even though whisky barbeque sauce is good on a chicken, you do not want a very Tex-Mex thanksgiving. I, also, read Joy of Cooking for fun and before going to sleep, although I forget exactly what the temperature is or how many minutes per pound. What I do know is that you first baste the turkey with butter, and rub sage and thyme (occasionally marjoram, if you want to go totally nuts) onto the skin, then proceed, every 20 minutes, to re-baste the turkey with a combination of chicken stock and butter, as well as the fat drippings that have baked in the pan. The first part of the cooking is under aluminum foil. Read the joy of cooking. Do not give yourself a jack daniels turkey. It will be nasty.

I'll be back Tuesday night.

Date: 2003-11-09 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
hi! i was really worried about you. i mean, i am really worried about you. and i miss you. i understand the phone allergy, but if there is a phone allergy remission, give me a call...mr. gilbert and i will be waiting for you on tuesday...

love, belle

Date: 2003-11-09 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totalvirility.livejournal.com
I know-- I'm really sorry I haven't been calling. Everything got intensely surreal after I talked to you, and I really have felt unable to go through with the phone, if only because I feel like I need to put on a funereal voice to talk on it, where the reality is closer to a drained exhaustion combined with strange hysteria and, actually, a lot of really, really inappropriate humor.

I would love to see you and Mr. Gilbert, preferably armed with some popcorn, hot chocolate, and Buffy. I've sort of lost the ability to talk, but that may return within the week. I'm hoping.

Date: 2003-11-09 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
there is popcorn and i will pick up some hot chocolate, and if you desire, Mr. Gilbert would be happy to share his whiskey with you.

i totally understand the phone thing, but if you can email me or post on here exactly when you are getting back, that would be swell.

i miss you!

Date: 2003-11-09 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
no, it's actually very old. back in '95, on PRODIGY [livejournal.com profile] totalvirility was Chaz and I was Belle.

Date: 2003-11-09 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hadaly.livejournal.com
Roasting a turkey in whiskey should be no problem. It won't come out Tex Mex unless you also use Tex Mex spices or BBQ suace. It also should not cause a fire in your oven. Ovens are pretty well protected against that sort of thing. I have cooked many turkeys, and would be glad to offer more advice, if you need it.

Date: 2003-11-09 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
our oven, much like our toilet, does not work. whereas the toilet can be flushed manually with an aid of a bucket, no analogous plan-B exists for the oven. I was just going to fry up some turkey on the stove (which is gas/open flames). i may be consulting you for advice.

Date: 2003-11-09 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
well then , can i suggest you use your whiskey, gererously, as part of the marinade. some suggestions to play with: 2 tablespoons pommery mustard 1 cup red wine or whiskey 1/2 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon fresh chopped thyme 1 tablespoon fresh chopped rosemary 1 tablespoon minced garlic 1 tablespoon coarse ground coriander 1 tablespoon coarse ground black pepper 1/2 tablespoon salt (marinate turkey cutlets in fridge at least 6 hours or overnight) www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_24836,00.html www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_18682,00.html www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_21929,00.html i think you could add the whiskey to any of these. the open flame isn't a problem. it actually makes it easier to flambe something, if you should so wish. seltix

Date: 2003-11-09 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
this reminds me of the 'dilbert' cartoon that i sent to nuncstans several weeks ago (nuncstans uses english grammar beautifully, so it wasn't a criticism) in which alice tells a secretary about "a little curly thing" called a "comma." :)

-mjm

Date: 2003-11-09 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
that would be funny, if it wasn't for the fact that i didn't write it the way it posted. and apparantly lj doesn't allow you to edit something once it's posted.

we'll try this again

Date: 2003-11-09 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
2 tablespoons pommery mustard 1 cup red wine or whiskey 1/2 cup olive oil 1 tablespoon fresh chopped thyme 1 tablespoon fresh chopped rosemary 1 tablespoon minced garlic 1 tablespoon coarse ground coriander 1 tablespoon coarse ground black pepper 1/2 tablespoon salt (marinate turkey cutlets in fridge at least 6 hours or overnight) www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_24836,00.html www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_18682,00.html www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_21929,00.html seltix

Re: we'll try this again

Date: 2003-11-09 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
crap!!

Re: we'll try this again

Date: 2003-11-09 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
2 tablespoons pommery mustard
1 cup red wine or whiskey
1/2 cup olive oil
1 tablespoon fresh chopped thyme
1 tablespoon fresh chopped rosemary
1 tablespoon minced garlic
1 tablespoon coarse ground coriander
1 tablespoon coarse ground black pepper
1/2 tablespoon salt
(marinate turkey cutlets in fridge at least 6 hours or overnight)

www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_24836,00.html

www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_18682,00.html

www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_21929,00.html

seltix

Re: we'll try this again

Date: 2003-11-09 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
whoopee!!


sorry for all the extra posts, nica


seltix

Re: we'll try this again

Date: 2003-11-09 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
what's happenning???

jack

Date: 2003-11-09 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i also see no real problem cooking with jack. i've added him to many sauces and dishes in the past, although never tried him with turkey. yet. the alcohol cooks off quickly and leaves you with the flavor, so unless you have a gas oven with an exposed flame, and some of the jack drips down onto it, you probably only have to worry about a fire if mr. gilbert becomes a nasty drunk and knocks over some candles.

i'd suggest using jack in the basting juices, as well as adding it to the stuffing mix you put inside the bird. that way you get the flavor from inside and out.

my concern, and i get the feeling this is unfounded, is that you make sure you have enough jack for pure consumption, outside of the cooking. with three of you drinking now, there has to be enough to go around for a really happy t'day.


seltix

Re: jack

Date: 2003-11-09 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
i don't really drink Jack, that's [livejournal.com profile] remsaverem drink of choice, i prefer Jameson myself, but don't worry, i'll make sure there is plenty of whiskey in stock; Mr. Gilbert is a thirsty little bitch.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute

Date: 2003-11-10 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] remsaverem.livejournal.com
is there actually going to be an attempt this year to cook a turkey? we've been denied turkey for two thanksgivings in a row... i think if we tried to cook one at your apartment we would be denied turkey yet again. cooking a turkey seems like a daunting task, especially a good turkey. i'm not sure Mr. Gilbert would approve either, though i suppose we could lock him in the bathroom while we eat the non-Mr. Gilbert turkey.

Whiskey & Turkey

Date: 2003-11-10 05:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Alcohol in the basting is probably going to dry out your bird, if you're roasting a whole turkey. You could splash some in the cavity-- but you should include some other liquid, too. I squeeze a few fresh oranges into the cavity. You can't taste orange.

You could melt some butter, throw in a little corn oil, and some whiskey, and then baste. That gives enough fat in the beginning to prevent drying out.

Or just make a whiskey sauce instead of gravy.

ZP

Date: 2003-11-10 07:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lapsedmodernist.livejournal.com
everyone, [livejournal.com profile] remsaverem is right; i got caught up in the excitement, but she sobered me up (and it's probably the only time i will ever say that about her, heh). there will be no cooking of turkey with or without alcohol; there will be a store-purchased turkey. i will mash the potatoes and procure cranberry juice. don't worry, Rem, we will not be denied turkey this year. just make sure your planner is for 2003 and that you don't miss Thanksgiving!

Date: 2003-11-10 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
it's a shame that there isn't going to be home-cooked turkey. i hope that you can find/buy a cooked turkey, not turkey slices. (it's nyc, right?) no sliced "turkey" ever compares to the big chunks of slices that you get off the whole bird, either in texture or moistness. it's better both the day of (with gravy, or whatever) and the days after, when you put some slices on some hearty bread with some spicy mustard.

-mjm

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