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Date: 2004-10-20 04:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-20 05:35 pm (UTC)just because:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/anthrochica/149387.html
seriously, that movie is brilliant, and I have made good use of the Prelinger Archive in my own work on the Shocking & Awful series. Among other things I dug up this insane promo reel made by the Arab American Oil Company called "Desert Venture" that has sweeping music and a cimatic baritone narrating the decisions of the oil workers: "And each man was given a choice, for they were asked to dedicate their lives to Oil in Arabia." Boy, did that mesh nicely with the Billionares for Bush footage.
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Date: 2004-10-20 05:43 pm (UTC)Unless I'm having one of those unfortunate memory glitches (like the one in which I thought that my memory of the first two minutes of 2001: Space Odyssey was a deeply repressed birth memory), then it was done by a couple of Bushes. Connecticutt Bushes at that. I think. I should ask the guy who told me about it. I should probably introduce you two one of these old days, since he does independent video and all.
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Date: 2004-10-20 05:45 pm (UTC)And I just googled it, and Ken Rafferty is, indeed, a cousin to the Shrub. Wow.
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Date: 2004-10-20 05:51 pm (UTC)My sister was just the right age for all of that duck and cover stuff (my brother was a little younger, so I don't think it was formative in quite the same way for him). This reminds me of a conversation I had with her once, where she was wondering if anyone had ever really looked at the effects of all that on the collective psyche of her generation. Kids, even lefty kids, really did assume that the bomb would drop at any minute -- that they were under a constant, normalized threat of fiery death all the time.
But as for the question of how people put the dots together, well, for one thing, they had I.F. Stone. I realize that it's usually a mistake to idealize the past -- especially the parts that you didn't live through (or lived through as a child), but journalism wasn't quite the total dog and pony show that it is now. Also, I'm not so sure that we ever really put the dots together. We just think we do. There were plenty of dots back then... some got put together, some led to the land of tin foil hats... I don't know.
I'm suspicious of knowledge, but of course I'm more suspicious of ignorance.
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Date: 2004-10-20 05:53 pm (UTC)Peter Miller
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Date: 2004-10-20 06:00 pm (UTC)You know, that is very, very true. I had the same epiphany while watching, of all things, "The Battle of Algiers." While a lot of things in it parallel the occupation of Iraq (and get used by the Pentagon and the resistance movements, accordingly), what shocked me the most about the film were the scenes where the French General sent to Algiers to crush the insurrection gives a press conference. And the press ask him really tough questions, about torture, and ethics, and they are actually holding him responsible, and I was, like, wow, that is like in some other universe from the Rose Garden 2000-2004.
I'm suspicious of knowledge, but of course I'm more suspicious of ignorance.
Well-put! There's that modernism shining through!
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Date: 2004-10-20 08:17 pm (UTC)I wanted to let you know that though I don't know anyone who owns a cat by the name of Schrodinger's Cat, I did once go on an unsuccessful date with a guy who owned a cat named Schrodinger (I'm not sure of the spelling). Go figure.
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